The thread points up a real dilemma for those who carry a concealed gun.

It is that you probably will get shot in an armed confrontation with a person who already has a drawn gun, if you don't have your gun at the ready.

That thinking is supported by one of the many findings of the NYPD's extensive SOP 9 study of thousands of police combat cases:

65% of the officers who had knowledge of impending danger, had their revolvers drawn and ready.

This is proper tactically for several reasons, the first being that holsters which are designed with the proper element of security in mind, do not lend themselves to quick draw.

The old bromide, "Don't draw your gun and point it at anyone unless you intend to shoot" is a tactical blunder.

Now, the real world dilemma for those who carry a concealed gun, does not have to be one for the home defender.

I can not think of a reason for not having your weapon of choice at the ready in a life threat situation.

And if you have the ability to Point Shoot accurately, you will increase the likely hood of your being able to control and successfully resolve the situation.

Your mind will be free to make decisions and take actions, because you will not have to deal with the complexities of, and time lost to obtaining a sight picture.

I favor P&S as it is the simplest and most natural of methods, and can be used to enhance other methods as well.

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Here is what Gabe Suarez had to say about Drawing against the drawn gun:

"Well, we tried this at the Extreme Close Range Gunfighting Class in Atlanta, GA this last weekend.

We had a couple of Feds, a Military Officer, two EP pros from Europe, a military contractor, and a miscellaneous collection of students from various walks of life. A couple of them had been through point shooting schools and a few through modern technique based schools.

The drill - seeking to test mechanics of motion only we set up a bad guy pointing an airsoft pistol at a good guy. The good guy's mission was simple.

Shoot without being shot. Carry was not sissy sqare range open carry but street concealment. Distance...just outside of combatives range [about 12 feet].

Results - Everyone got shot. A few managed to get shot peripherally rather than center, but nonetheless, they got shot. Best results were achieved by moving off line sharply to adversary's outside line while drawing.

Appendix and cross draw - centerline carry had serious advantages over traditional strong side.

We were all in agreement that using a ruse to change adversary's focus was essential. We tried the JW Hardin Ruse (Throwing money down to get his atention off you...then move and shoot violently). We also considered the "Lone Ranger Ruse" ("Is that my faithful Tonto coming up behind you" look ruse).

These could provide a slice of time to save you. The idea that someone would draw to 1/2 hip of any kind of hip and hit the bad guy w/o getting hit back was proven to be false. It won't work gents.

The theory of doing this assumes speed. Speed in open carry is false speed. What can you do from concealed carry is what matters ...everything else is ballistic self-amusement. (I was thinking of a stronger word that rhymes with nation).

The theory of this also assumes that you have a deadly man-stopper dwelling in the chamber of your pistol. Another sad gun school myth.

To put it in perspective, a student recently called to report a shooting he was in. He shot the BG with a Federal tactiacl Slug (from a freaking shotgun!). The bad guy was hit from right shoulder to left scapula. Yet he lived long enough to drive away...get in another gunfight with several cops, and flee the scene. He turned himself in a week later to get medical attention!!! With as slug!!! Please don't waste my time telling me how deadly your PISTOL ammo is.

Getting the first hit is all well and good...but what is your follow up?

If you are locked solidly into your Fast Kill Point Shooting Position or whatever, he will simply shoot you a millisecond later and you are still shot. Capice??

I am not interested in outdrawing anyone. I am interested in shooting him w/o getting shot...before or after.

The problem of the drawn gun is a big foxtrotted up place to be. The only way I can see in working this is via distraction, and a fast draw coupled with moving offline to his gunside. Even then its a 50/50 situation...."

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