I used an XD 9mm sub-compact on 9/18/09. It has a 3 in. barrel. The gun felt light in my hand and the grip felt hard. If I owned one, I would have the grip smoothed some. I had mixed results shooting it.

On 1/28/09 I used an S&W M&P 9mm with good results. On one target I had 13 shots in a 7 in. group at 15 feet, with 7 of them in the black which is 4 1/2 in. I normally shoot as fast as I can point-n-pull.

In 2008, I went to the range on 05/20/08, which was just over a year since my last visit. I also went to the range on 10/15/08. That was after I saw an add in the PoliceOne Newsletter of 10/13/08 for the Ruger SR9. It was said to be one of the slimmest, most comfortable 9mm pistols available today. Here is a pic of it from the Ruger site, and a pic I took of the SR9 that I rented.

In the pic I took, you will note that I added a P&S aiming aid to the side of the pistol.

The pistol has a maximum magazine capacity of 17. However, it fit my medium sized hand very easily and it was very comfortable in my hand. I believe that was due to the necked down area in the grip where the gun is grasped. And as the right side of the gun is flat, it also was easy to add the P&S aiming aid to the gun. It was as though it was made for one. Also note that the trigger guard is large enough to be accessed with the index finger or the middle finger.

It was quite cold, about 43 degrees, and since I was not dressed for that, I only fired 20 rounds and left. I had not fired the SR9 before, but felt that it shot very good for me. I used 3 targets and ran each of them out to 15 feet. They are shown below. All shooting was done using only one hand, and no sights.

On the first target, I pointed and pulled, and pointed and pulled shooting rapidly (5 shots, 5 hits, -- with a grouping that was less than 3 inches wide and less than 3 inches off the centerline of the target).

On the second, I pointed the gun, and shot as fast as the gun came down from its recoil jump (5 shots, 4 hits, -- with a grouping of 3 that were in the black and within 1 inch of the centerline of the target, and 1 that was within 3.5 inches of the centerline and less than 2 inches below the center of the black).

On the third, I fired 4 times rapidly and then 6 times very fast (10 shots, 10 hits, -- with 4 in the black and the rest within 4 inches of the centerline of the target).

I am sure that with a bit more shooting and warmer weather or clothing, my shooting would be better. However, all the hits would strike a human sized target.

I was pleased to see that a major gun maker has brought a "slimmer" gun to market. I understand that there also is a ten round magazine for the gun.

I have two suggestions for it. If the follower was metal, it would be easier to load the first round, and also strip it from the magazine. The slide was hard for me to pull back. If the serrated portion was covered with the material used on the follower, it would make it easier to both grasp and rack the slide to the rear.

If you have used a pair of the new rubberized garden gloves for carrying bricks or concrete blocks, I am sure that you would understand what I mean.

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Here are pics of the gun used and the first target used in my visit on 05/20/08.

The results, show that P&S works and that it can be deadly effective.

I used my simple, reliable, low cost, and effective aiming aid, to help keep my index finger in the correct position along the side of the gun and away from the slide as the gun jumps and bucks in the hand with rapid firing. But, the use of one is not required to use the P&S method.

Here are links to 5 sec. videos of P&S being used at the range and while moving, and a link to a page on getting a Flash Sight Picture AUTOMATICALLY and naturally using P&S.

More gun test info is below these links.

Videos of a test of P&S at the range. Shooting with one hand, and with two hands.

USING P&S WHILE MOVING.

SHOOTING AT AND HITTING AERIALS WITH P&S.

More videos of P&S being used while moving.

Videos using fast moving targets.

How to get a fast, automatic, and correct Flash Sight Picture using P&S, or P&S = Auto FSP.

Here are pics showing aiming aids attached to a Glock 17 and a SIG P239.

Note the hits made with the SIG P239.

4 are about 1 in off of the center line at 12 feet.
At 21 feet they would be off of the center line by 1.8 in.
At 30 feet they would be off of the center line by 2.5 in.

1 is about 2.5 in off of the center line at 12 feet.
At 21 feet it would be off of the center line by 4.4 in.
At 30 feet it would be off of the center line by 6 in.

All shots were made as fast as I could point and pull the trigger. And I am sure that with practice, both my times and hits would be better.

I did find it difficult to grasp the Glock securely. The magazine holds 17 rounds, so it is a double stack gun. And that makes for a big and thick grip which is hard for me to get my fingers around.

Here is a pic of the 9mm Sig Saur P239, and a pic of two targets used in a visit to the range 9/2/04.

Here are pics of "test" versions of the aid on a KAHR K9 and a S&W 40 Cal.

These pics show the deadly effective result that can be obtained with P&S.

The following pic was taken in May 2007. It shows my first ten shots. I had not been to the range for for a test shoot for 7+ months. I used my aiming aid and fired a 9mm Taurus 24/7 rapidly with one hand. In Nov, 06, I had taken a grandson to the range, and while there, I shot a few 5 round mags to show him how P&S works.

Critics say that P&S is not precision shooting. And my pics of targets taken over several years, show that P&S is indeed the case.

They also prove/show that one can get hits with P&S that are close to or in the black, and with little or no practice. They also prove/show that only limited practice at best is required to remain competent in Point Shooting.

Here is a pic of a test aid attached to a Springfield XD in 9mm, and a pic of my first target used and shot at while "shooting cold" that day.

Below is a pic of a test aid attached to the same Springfield XD in 9mm, and a pic of the first target used a month later.

And here are pics of "test" versions of the aid on a Glock 26 and a S&W 59.

In the tests, I consistently and repeatedly hit 9 1/2" by 14" targets at the "in home" distances of 10 to 15 feet, and even up to 25 feet. All of my results, of course, were not as good as those shown on the targets.

I used a 10 inch paper plate in the Glock 26 test on 7/3/03.

The 4th target above, shows that, you can consistently hit the target using P&S.

I used an ink marker to make the rings.

Note that some holes are in and others are out. I used the target when shooting 3 bursts of five shots. The target shows 13 hits.

Of interest is the location of the hits. On most of the plates, the hits were lower rather than higher. I suspect that is due to the edge of the target area of the plate being held by the clip used to hold targets, and knowing that, one will mentally try to not shoot the range's target holding clip, and as such, shoot lower.

Also, in three other tests, made with a SIG in 40 Cal, a Glock 17, and a S&W 5906, and using 9 1/2 x 14 inch or 11 x 17 inch targets, my results were similar to these.

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In my first range test in 9/98, I used an S&W 5906, and 11x17 inch targets. I had not shot a gun in over 40 years prior to that test.

After some warm up shooting, I hit the target 6 out of 7 times at 25 feet while pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, as fast as I could point and pull.

Some have said and continue to say that the P&S method of shooting, and the P&S aiming aid are a joke or worse, and they have ridiculed both.

Well, four of the five hits made with the KAHR K9 in June of 2002, as shown above can be covered by a dollar bill.

Anyone can take a dollar bill from their wallet or purse and hold it against their chest.

Then look down at it and imagine FOUR 9 mm slugs hitting it and going through it. NOT funny!!!

Those hits were made by an old geezer, who seldom shoots, didn't use the sights, used a rental gun, pulled the trigger with his middle finger, and shot as fast as he could point his index finger at a target and pull the trigger. And at that time, it was only the 7th time I had shot a gun in over 40 years.

Here is a 12/03 pic of the center of a B27E target hit with 5 of 5 shots at 10 to 12 feet.

All 5 hits are within 6 inches of each other, and four of the five are in a 3 inch group. The hits were made by me with the same rental KAHR K9 as I used once before.

The following show a Ruger P95 and a target with five out of five hits at 11 feet in a 2.5 x 3 inch group. I added stars to the picture to help identify the hits.

At 25 feet, the group would grow to 7", but still impact 1/2 of a chest sized target (14" wide). A Ruger P95 DK in 9 mm was used.

The hits are off of the center line by varying amounts:

2 are about 1 in. off of the center line at 11 feet.
At 21 feet they would be off of the center line by 1.9 in.
At 30 feet they would be off of the center line by 2.7 in.

1 is about 1.5 in. off of the center line at 11 feet.
At 21 feet it would be off of the center line by 2.9 in.
At 30 feet it would be off of the center line by 4.1 in.

1 is about 2 in. off of the center line at 11 feet.
At 21 feet it would be off of the center line by 3.8 in.
At 30 feet it would be off of the center line by 5.5 in.

1 is about 2.25 in. off of the center line at 11 feet.
At 21 feet it would be off of the center line by 4.3 in.
At 30 feet it would be off of the center line by 6 in.

The hits on all targets used were not that good. But at 15 feet, in most cases there were 4 of 5, or 5 of 5 hits on the roughly 9x14 targets and lots of center hits.

I mostly fired one handed.

I also shot some rounds without the aiming aid, and my hits were not as good.

With the use of a P&S aiming aid, the gun will fit comfortably in your hand, much like a glove, and you feel more in control of it.

As to the Ruger P95, the axel of the slide release lever goes through the gun from left to right, and extends out a bit on the right side.

When firing I depressed it some. And once I pushed it out some to the left. That caused a misfeed. Also, I also found that the grip was big for my hand. Note that on 10/15/08 I shot a Ruger SR9 and had no problem with the slide stop axel for the duration of my short test.

Now, many if not most "modern" guns have "big grips" which I believe are ergonomically poor for gun control (gripability), and accuracy (shootability), for shooters with small to medium sized hands.